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shaX 07
03-29-2008, 08:58 PM
Do Aftermarket speakers really sound that much better than stock?

Lets assume you compare the same Aftermarket Deck (a decently sounding one) using stock speakers vs using the same deck with a decent set of Aftermarket speakers..

Is the sound difference going to be super drastic, or hardly noticeable?

I've almost decided I don't want to put a sub in my XR due to the space it would take up, and I figured maybe a nice deck/speaker set up can sound really good with a decent amount of bass...

Oh and BTW, when I say "set of decent Aftermarket speakers" I don't mean the most expensive ones on the market.. I'm talking probably some high rated Kicker or Pioneer speakers that run between $60-100 bucks a pair.

DOGSTOY06
03-29-2008, 09:03 PM
I would say yes. although my stereo installers were surprised how well the stock speakers sounded by the small magnets they found on the stock speakers.you don't have to have 1000 watts to have good sound,just the right combo.:top:

InkedRunner
03-29-2008, 09:05 PM
I think the speakers sound pretty nice stock myself. I am not sure $60-100 range will give you much more. Just my opinion. I still have stock head unit and speakers though. So I am not that much help.

My68ur8trd
03-29-2008, 09:06 PM
I think the speakers sound pretty nice stock myself. I am not sure $60-100 range will give you much more. Just my opinion. I still have stock head unit and speakers though. So I am not that much help.

If you listened to a nice aftermarket system, and then a stock one. its almost night and day difference.

Justin

InkedRunner
03-29-2008, 09:09 PM
If you listened to a nice aftermarket system, and then a stock one. its almost night and day difference.

Justin

Oh I am sure it is. I will not say stock is the best by far. But just not sure 60-100 bucks will push it that far. If so I would probably put some aftermarket speakers in for that price.

joman
03-29-2008, 09:13 PM
i would personally spend a lil money for a sound system...good face deck and speakers....all prices pending... with 100 you can get some really good speakers... and add anoher 200-250 you can get a good face deck...perferably double din.....or single depending on your taste.....

Xfataldesires
03-29-2008, 09:13 PM
i say yes cause depending on the brand and out put from the deck speakers make a big defference if you take your stock speakers then compare them with aftermarket you can here the sound quialty come a lot better

My68ur8trd
03-29-2008, 09:13 PM
Oh I am sure it is. I will not say stock is the best by far. But just not sure 60-100 bucks will push it that far. If so I would probably put some aftermarket speakers in for that price.


a nice 2 or 3 way speaker will give you better fill.

I would rather just save and run a nice set of components. thats the best bang for the buck

Justin

shaX 07
03-29-2008, 09:16 PM
I would say yes. although my stereo installers were surprised how well the stock speakers sounded by the small magnets they found on the stock speakers.you don't have to have 1000 watts to have good sound,just the right combo.:top:

Can you let use know what you're running for a set up, and include prices for what you bought..

What do you think of this set up:

Deck: ($250.00)
Pioneer DEH-P6000UB
CD receiver with built-in MOSFET amplifier (14 watts RMS/50 peak x 4 channels)
Easy EQ 7-band equalizer with six preset tone settings
loudness
Sound Retriever for improving sound of compressed music files
high- and low-pass filters
Front Speakers: ($70.00)

Kicker KS693 6x9's
3-way 6" x 9" speakers (pair)
CIMP (Curvilinear Injection-Molded Polypropylene) woofer cone with Santoprene™ surround
1" titanium dome tweeter
3/4" titanium dome tweeter
certified for marine use
power range: 5-100 watts RMS (300 watts peak power)
frequency response: 30-21,000 Hz
sensitivity: 92 dB
top-mount depth: 3-1/4"Rear Speakers: ($100.00)

Pioneer TS-A1682R 6 1/2's
6-1/2"/6-3/4" 4-way car speakers (pair)
injection-molded polypropylene (IMPP) woofer with Aramid fiber and butyl rubber surround
1/2" PET dome tweeter and 3/8" PET dome supertweeter
1-1/2" lightweight diaphragm balanced-dome midrange
power range: 2-50 watts RMS (280 watts peak power)
frequency response: 30-33,000 Hz
sensitivity: 91 dB
top-mount depth: 2-5/16"

My68ur8trd
03-29-2008, 09:24 PM
Can you let use know what you're running for a set up, and include prices for what you bought..



Head Unit - Pioneer AVH-P69800DVD - $650 (Ebay)

Front Speakers - Pioneer Premier TS-C720PRS components - 250 (best money spent)

Rear Speakers - Diamond Audio D6 D661i - 100 ( ebay)

4-channel - Pheonix Gold Titanium 500.4 (900 new) 175 - Audio Forum

Sub Amp - Pheonix Gold Tantrum 500.2 (750 new) 150 - Audio Forum

Sub - Diamond D6 (135 off ebay) in a sweet sub box :rolleyez:


if I were you , a nice headunit and a set of front components and leave the rears stock. the fronts will give you the best fill and you can tune the rears to mids with the headunit.

shaX 07
03-29-2008, 09:31 PM
Head Unit - Pioneer AVH-P69800DVD - $650 (Ebay)

Front Speakers - Pioneer Premier TS-C720PRS components - 250 (best money spent)

Rear Speakers - Diamond Audio D6 D661i - 100 ( ebay)

4-channel - Pheonix Gold Titanium 500.4 (900 new) 175 - Audio Forum

Sub Amp - Pheonix Gold Tantrum 500.2 (750 new) 150 - Audio Forum

Sub - Diamond D6 (135 off ebay) in a sweet sub box :rolleyez:


if I were you , a nice headunit and a set of front components and leave the rears stock. the fronts will give you the best fill and you can tune the rears to mids with the headunit.

I thought the front speakers were 6x9? And you're running 6 3/4? I'm confused.. you can run multiple sizes in the front?

My68ur8trd
03-29-2008, 09:33 PM
I thought the front speakers were 6x9? And you're running 6 3/4? I'm confused.. you can run multiple sizes in the front?


yeah, Tacotunes.com and Mr Marv make adapters to run round speakers :top:

I like Mr Marvs

http://i11.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/db/cd/2ef0_1.JPG

Justin

Tapp
03-29-2008, 10:21 PM
a nice 2 or 3 way speaker will give you better fill.

I would rather just save and run a nice set of components. thats the best bang for the buck

Justin

after being in your truck, my stereo just isnt the same anymore!!:frown:

Scratchy
03-29-2008, 10:45 PM
Do Aftermarket speakers really sound that much better than stock?

I've almost decided I don't want to put a sub in my XR due to the space it would take up, and I figured maybe a nice deck/speaker set up can sound really good with a decent amount of bass...


That's not true, you can get a set of Xtreme Kreation panels and you only lose the rear door pocket space.
http://www.xr-underground.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7714&highlight=Xtreme+Kreations

Yotaman
03-29-2008, 11:14 PM
and I'm not tryint o be an azz....

The stock speakers in the X are horrid! I bought 2 sest of Alpine SPR-17LS Type R Components, Alpine MRP-F240 amp and,Alpine CDA-9853 HU...on EBAY for $640...

If you take your time and look on Ebay you can find really good deals on car stereo stuff....just be carteful and tak eyour time...

Oh ya, I also had 2 JL 10w3v2's in a custom box with a rockford amp and cap.....it sounded sick as hell!!!!! But I sold the subs oon Ebay.


IMO: my highs and Mids can't be beat...even though my back tweaters are bolwn...JC I gotta replace them!! MY rear tweeters are pointed right at your head, but I will say the speakers ppositions in the front aren't the greatest....a nice kick panel setup would be AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
I SAY YES...get an aftermarket system!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :top::rock:

Yotaman
03-29-2008, 11:16 PM
If you listened to a nice aftermarket system, and then a stock one. its almost night and day difference.

Justin

He listend to my Alpines on the way home from the meet...don't think he paid much attention though....:thumpdown: PK where we ate lunch Inked....

Yotaman
03-29-2008, 11:17 PM
i would personally spend a lil money for a sound system...good face deck and speakers....all prices pending... with 100 you can get some really good speakers... and add anoher 200-250 you can get a good face deck...perferably double din.....or single depending on your taste.....

But you gots to get an amp....a head unit won't push aftermarket speakers to their fullest.

morcheez
03-29-2008, 11:21 PM
currently i have an alpine hu and the factory speakers with hi-pass filters on them , and a jl 10w3v3 ...i am pleased with it enough and dont feel the need to buy any other speakers to replace the stockers in the near future

Yotaman
03-29-2008, 11:27 PM
currently i have an alpine hu and the factory speakers with hi-pass filters on them , and a jl 10w3v3 ...i am pleased with it enough and dont feel the need to buy any other speakers to replace the stockers in the near future


Not to knock you, but I have never understood the idea of running a good sub with stock mids and highs.....:dontknow:
Honestly, no offense in any way man....

Yotaman
03-29-2008, 11:31 PM
Do Aftermarket speakers really sound that much better than stock?

Lets assume you compare the same Aftermarket Deck (a decently sounding one) using stock speakers vs using the same deck with a decent set of Aftermarket speakers..

Is the sound difference going to be super drastic, or hardly noticeable?

I've almost decided I don't want to put a sub in my XR due to the space it would take up, and I figured maybe a nice deck/speaker set up can sound really good with a decent amount of bass...

Oh and BTW, when I say "set of decent Aftermarket speakers" I don't mean the most expensive ones on the market.. I'm talking probably some high rated Kicker or Pioneer speakers that run between $60-100 bucks a pair.

Check out Justin's box...FTW!!!! :rock::top:

morcheez
03-29-2008, 11:36 PM
Not to knock you, but I have never understood the idea of running a good sub with stock mids and highs.....:dontknow:
Honestly, no offense in any way man....

i just havent wanted to spend the money on speakers and all of the adapters yet ...i have speakers so its not a priority i want stuff i dont have at all yet :top:...and no offense taken sir :biggrin:

Yotaman
03-29-2008, 11:42 PM
i just havent wanted to spend the money on speakers and all of the adapters yet ...i have speakers so its not a priority i want stuff i dont have at all yet :top:...and no offense taken sir :biggrin:

Cool beans Bro!!

metalheadx
03-29-2008, 11:52 PM
for sure they would

thunderkat1
03-30-2008, 02:40 AM
Can you let use know what you're running for a set up, and include prices for what you bought..

What do you think of this set up:

Deck: ($250.00)
Pioneer DEH-P6000UB
CD receiver with built-in MOSFET amplifier (14 watts RMS/50 peak x 4 channels)
Easy EQ 7-band equalizer with six preset tone settings
loudness
Sound Retriever for improving sound of compressed music files
high- and low-pass filters
Front Speakers: ($70.00)

Kicker KS693 6x9's
3-way 6" x 9" speakers (pair)
CIMP (Curvilinear Injection-Molded Polypropylene) woofer cone with Santoprene™ surround
1" titanium dome tweeter
3/4" titanium dome tweeter
certified for marine use
power range: 5-100 watts RMS (300 watts peak power)
frequency response: 30-21,000 Hz
sensitivity: 92 dB
top-mount depth: 3-1/4"Rear Speakers: ($100.00)

Pioneer TS-A1682R 6 1/2's
6-1/2"/6-3/4" 4-way car speakers (pair)
injection-molded polypropylene (IMPP) woofer with Aramid fiber and butyl rubber surround
1/2" PET dome tweeter and 3/8" PET dome supertweeter
1-1/2" lightweight diaphragm balanced-dome midrange
power range: 2-50 watts RMS (280 watts peak power)
frequency response: 30-33,000 Hz
sensitivity: 91 dB
top-mount depth: 2-5/16"

The head unit is a good one for someone like you who's doesn't seem to be a big audiophile. The secret to getting the most out of any system is matching the right speakers to your power output. The 6x9's you've chosen are probably too much and won't sound good because they will be underpowered. And honestly a decent 2-way speaker will always sound better than a good 3-way. Matching the speakers in the truck is sometimes a good idea because they will better compliment each other as well, but not always. With the kind of deck you are talking about, the Alpine Type S 2-Way speakers would probably be a better solution. the SPS-69C2 6x9's with the SPS-17C2 6-1/2" would be great and you're not underpowering. Underpowering is just as bad as overpowering. Changing the tweeters in the front doors with an inline filter would be recomended as well. Since you will not be going with a subwoofer you should definately keep the 6x9's in the doors no matter what setup you choose. Kaption is another good speaker at a good price but I don't think you can get them stateside.

Hope my blurb helped you out. Good luck!

SickRedXRnr
03-30-2008, 05:23 AM
when i had my 2001 tacoma, JUST replacing the head unit was a huge difference. you have to realize the stock head unit is pushing maybe.... 12 watts to the speakers? then an after market is doing 45-50..... same speakers with a new head unit is going to be close to 4 times the sound.... its all how you set it up. I LOVE the JBL speakers that come with it.... (i think thats what they are) they have a great amount of bass, great sound etc etc... the only thing i would suggest different is if you are going to put a sub in, then get yourself some infinity speakers or something else that is going to JUST give you highs and mids, and let the sub take care of the rest... otherwise, stick with what you got and enjoy

shaX 07
03-30-2008, 07:28 AM
That's not true, you can get a set of Xtreme Kreation panels and you only lose the rear door pocket space.
http://www.xr-underground.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7714&highlight=Xtreme+Kreations


So does that box fit a 10" sub? and do you have to find a shallow sub or can it fit pretty much any 10"sub?

Scratchy
03-30-2008, 02:10 PM
So does that box fit a 10" sub? and do you have to find a shallow sub or can it fit pretty much any 10"sub?
Yes, those panels take a 10" sub designed for .5cf sealed box.
Check out the complete thread - there are lots of different subs used listed there.
Elemental Designs makes subs for small enclosures :top:

BoominTaco
04-02-2008, 04:36 AM
Buy sum JL 6x9VRs and 6 1/2 VR Coax and your good to go. Make sure your deck can put out, Kennwood decks usally puts out 22 rms per channel and 50 x 4 MOSFET. For both pairs should come out to less than 300 bucks.

Alexrunner
04-02-2008, 08:04 AM
if you were to see the stock speakers you would be really surprised at how they sound the way they do. they look like they were made with toilet roll cardboard and the worlds smallest magnet. they also weigh nothing. Its crazy that they sound good the way they are.

XNU
04-02-2008, 08:32 AM
I thought my factory speakers sounded bad. With the stock head unit and infinitys speakers it sounds really good. Much better sound

Ruffryder
04-02-2008, 09:07 AM
A headunit will make even the horrible speakers in the X sound better, but still not good. I think the stock speakers with an aftermarket deck could keep up with a small sub, as long as they were on a high-pass filter. Replace the speakers if you are looking to have any resemblance of bass.

Here's what I have:
Headunit: Pioneer deh-980BT $330, Ebay

Front: Pioneer TSC-160r 6.5 Componants $100 Ebay
Rockford Fosgate 250a2 $100 Ebay, but I just bought so it would match my other amps, could have gone cheaper

Rear: Stock speakers off of deck

Sub: Rockford HX2
Rockford 360a2, bridged
already had these from awhile ago

shaX 07
05-12-2009, 03:26 PM
I'm reviving this thread because I finally got these speakers installed last month and to be honest with you they weren't worth the money/effort. The stock speakers sound identical, if not better than these Pioneers and I couldn't be more disappointed that myself, dascheaten and NHXRUNNER spent a lot of time on these...

So for any of you out there looking to upgrade speakers, steer clear of anything low end pioneer, they're just not worth a damn.


Can you let use know what you're running for a set up, and include prices for what you bought..

What do you think of this set up:

Deck: ($250.00)
Pioneer DEH-P6000UB
CD receiver with built-in MOSFET amplifier (14 watts RMS/50 peak x 4 channels)

Easy EQ 7-band equalizer with six preset tone settings
loudness
Sound Retriever for improving sound of compressed music files
high- and low-pass filters


Front Speakers: ($70.00)


6"x9" 3-way car speakers (pair)
carbon graphite injection-molded polypropylene (IMPP) woofer with Aramid fiber and butyl rubber surround
5/8" PET silver film dome tweeter
2-1/4" PET silver film cone midrange
power range: 2-40 watts RMS (250 watts peak power)
frequency response: 28-28,000 Hz
sensitivity: 93 dB
top-mount depth: 2-7/8"


Rear Speakers: ($100.00)

Pioneer TS-A1682R 6 1/2's

6-1/2"/6-3/4" 4-way car speakers (pair)
injection-molded polypropylene (IMPP) woofer with Aramid fiber and butyl rubber surround
1/2" PET dome tweeter and 3/8" PET dome supertweeter
1-1/2" lightweight diaphragm balanced-dome midrange
power range: 2-50 watts RMS (280 watts peak power)
frequency response: 30-33,000 Hz
sensitivity: 91 dB
top-mount depth: 2-5/16"

disciple X
05-12-2009, 03:50 PM
i've always liked pioneer stuff... cheap and decent sounding... i noticed there was no amp in your list of stuff... there's your problem right there. amp those bad boys and i'd be willing to bet you wont be disappointed. i amped the stock speakers and they sound a million times better. remember what somebody said about underpowering... they're not really gonna sound any better with only a coulple watts pushin em.

dj_lucas840
05-12-2009, 03:51 PM
to be honest my speakers i didnt spend much on! got some 3ways from walmart! the ones that have blue LEDs in them, and i think they sound alot cleaner than the stock ones! then when i added my sub to the stock HU it sounds very good now!

shaX 07
05-12-2009, 03:51 PM
i've always liked pioneer stuff... cheap and decent sounding... i noticed there was no amp in your list of stuff... there's your problem right there. amp those bad boys and i'd be willing to bet you wont be disappointed. i amped the stock speakers and they sound a million times better. remember what somebody said about underpowering...


I have a mono amp attached to my sub....

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-OxEMPjUhrU0/p_500MRPM500/Alpine-MRP-M500.html

disciple X
05-12-2009, 03:52 PM
that's nice for your sub... amp your door speakers.

dj_lucas840
05-12-2009, 03:54 PM
i didnt run an amp to my speakers all off HU!!! i know they can handle more power but never been worried bout it i think they sound good how they are, still get loud as shyt! only thing the amp is for is for my sub! got a 1000 watt Rockford 10"

shaX 07
05-12-2009, 04:01 PM
that's nice for your sub... amp your door speakers.


What do you recommend for a good amp for speakers? And where shall I put it (current amp is under the driver's seat).

boneman840
05-12-2009, 04:32 PM
I used to be heavy into car audio when I was younger and competed in tons of events. I think most people who think that there particular sound setup sounds really good would be shocked at how bad they actually sound.By that I mean just because it is loud and clear with tons of bass does not mean it is reproducing the full spectrum of sound.Remember tuning a sound setup in a car is just like tuning your motor.Take your truck to a shop that has a good quality R.T.A. and have them smotth out the curve for your particular sound enviroment.A system always sounds good with the music you like to listen to. However try putting some serious classical or jazz/fusion and you will see where your system is lacking. R.T.A. tuning FTMFW!!!!! :rock:

KETCHUP
05-12-2009, 04:42 PM
In most cases, yes. Even with a stock head unit, the sound quality is going to be better. I would considering putting an aftermarket HU as this will surely give you better sound. Of course, the more you spend, the better quality you will get (most of the time). I have an Alpine HU with Pioneer 3 way componet speakers. My sound quality is so much better than what I had in the past.

If you do consider a sub, go with the subx closer. I think this is the best set up for saving space and still being able to use your back seats.

Only think with changing the speakers is the more power and the better quality speakers you get the more chance you have for noises from vibration. That of course can be adjusted if needed, but dinomat may be something to look into.

speckdzl4shzl
05-12-2009, 05:08 PM
amplifing aftermarket speakers is a MUST! running them off of your headunit is stupid. that's where you're going wrong, you need more power. don't have to go crazy with a super good one. those pioneer speakers aren't that crazy, so just get a decent 4 channel amp and you should be fine. ebay is your friend here. :top:

and as for where to put it, under the other seat...

boneman840
05-12-2009, 06:13 PM
amplifing aftermarket speakers is a MUST! running them off of your headunit is stupid. that's where you're going wrong, you need more power. don't have to go crazy with a super good one. those pioneer speakers aren't that crazy, so just get a decent 4 channel amp and you should be fine. ebay is your friend here. :top:

and as for where to put it, under the other seat...

X2 :top: If you pop your stock speakers off sometimes you will find that the wattage is on the back.It is usually a small wattage speaker usually less than 20 w.Same with stock HU low wattage but they are matched so it sounds decent for the normal person.When you start adding aftermarket speakers and HU's you must match the wattage as close as possible.This usually means as stated above that you have to get an amp to keep up with the speakers higher wattage. Also it is def better to have more power than not enough.You can do more damage to your components by try to push too low of wattage to higher wattage speakers than you do pushing higher wattage to lower wattage speakers.

shaX 07
05-12-2009, 08:33 PM
How's about this amp:

http://www.woofersetc.com/p6250/MRPF300--Alpine-VPower-Series-4channel-300-Watt-Amplifier.htm

for these speakers:

http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-Pioneer-TS-A1682R\ (http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-Pioneer-TS-A1682R%5C)

&

http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-Pioneer-TS-A6962R

Can someone tell me if this is a good match?

Tunedx
05-12-2009, 09:34 PM
In most cases, yes. Even with a stock head unit, the sound quality is going to be better. I would considering putting an aftermarket HU as this will surely give you better sound. Of course, the more you spend, the better quality you will get (most of the time). I have an Alpine HU with Pioneer 3 way componet speakers. My sound quality is so much better than what I had in the past.

If you do consider a sub, go with the subx closer. I think this is the best set up for saving space and still being able to use your back seats.

Only think with changing the speakers is the more power and the better quality speakers you get the more chance you have for noises from vibration. That of course can be adjusted if needed, but dinomat may be something to look into.

I agree There's nothing worse then a good system with rattling. My stock setup even has issues. I really have to invest in some sound deadening. That would be my first thing on my list to a better system.

rich017
05-12-2009, 09:43 PM
I agree There's nothing worse then a good system with rattling. My stock setup even has issues. I really have to invest in some sound deadening. That would be my first thing on my list to a better system.

Some double stick tape behind the sliders for the tops of the seat belts helps a lot!!! Put the tape in spots so that the plastic cant rattle. Test it and if you still have some rattles, find where it is coming from and put some more double stick tape on there.

SHAX, IMO, just sppend $400 and order some B.A. Alpine components or something

wshsbears
05-13-2009, 10:15 PM
a good set of aftermarket speaker can be 100/set (set = 2 or front set/rear set) u don't have to get components, but they do sound better.

as for an amp, get one that'll run 100W RMS to each of 4 channels. if you're running tweeters with coaxial speakers to make it a component type set-up, you may want to get an amp with more power. my components are 90W RMS and sound excellent powered by my eclipse EA4000 amp

X-Band
09-26-2009, 05:04 AM
I plan to run alpine type S componants in the front and type R 6 1/2's in the rear. Had alpine in my last 6 vehicles and always loved them. Stock system loses it punch when u turn the volume up IMO.

HiFi-08XR
09-26-2009, 05:23 AM
mines is aftermarket speakers
im runnin the MB QUARTS front and rear
4 channel amp
bought the speakers up when i was in cali several months ago $250
sounds really good crystal clear.

i heard that if you amp out the speakers sounds good also

xr_sky1ine3
09-26-2009, 06:03 AM
pioneer avic d3 headunit
DLS C6A Components fronts
2 Rockford mono amps
Diesel 12" sub. gonna go with the subx for the08
SOUNDS Killer!! way better than the stock.

eddieEndo
10-06-2009, 11:53 PM
pioneer premiers are the shiiiiit