Absolutely

Definitely the LS-6 over the 2JZ. Those 2JZ's can make some good power, but they are also prone to not being stable. Definitely think the two extra cylinders would be awesome.

im lookin into the lsx swap for my truck.

Those would both be option, but my foresight tells me they are gonna be really expensive! :ahhhhh:

Instead of the Vette engine (expensive) why not a ZZ4 crate engine, aluminum heads, and 375hp. out of the box? Less expensive, easy on parting and home repair and not such a large outlay? Or, for the ford lovers a crate 351 engine? By the way, would there be any return for the standard X engine and electronics?

2jz engine is nice. can make loads of power when you build it right. Alittle rare to find though

LS engines can make loads of power too. Aluminum blocks are good for about 650hp before you really need to upgrade the block. lightweight. with a stock 6.0l you can add heads, cam, intake, and a tune and you can be up around 550-600hp for under $2000 over the price of the engine. aftermarket is not really limited but isn't making much more power than GM parts.

If your dead set on an engine swap i believe the LS engines are a better option, although not toyota parts it will be an easier swap. More aftermarket "swap" parts availible than any other engine period.

I would like to see a piston and rod set that will take 500-550 HP without worry for the 1gr. But this really isnt the thread to discuss this.

archngl said:

Instead of the Vette engine (expensive) why not a ZZ4 crate engine, aluminum heads, and 375hp. out of the box? Less expensive, easy on parting and home repair and not such a large outlay? Or, for the ford lovers a crate 351 engine? By the way, would there be any return for the standard X engine and electronics?

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ZZ4 although nice, definatly not capable to make the power of the other two engines. and really it's not going to be much more expensive. as well its an iron block, so it's going to be heavier than the LS design. Same with the 351. with how many people are putting LS engines into everything you will more than likely be able to find headers to fit it already made.. the other two maybe if your lucky. Custom headers are expensive.

and yes you could get a good buck for the 1gr engine with electronics, but i think you may still need to keep your standard computer.

daveczrn said:

2jz engine is nice. can make loads of power when you build it right. Alittle rare to find though

LS engines can make loads of power too. Aluminum blocks are good for about 650hp before you really need to upgrade the block. lightweight. with a stock 6.0l you can add heads, cam, intake, and a tune and you can be up around 550-600hp for under $2000 over the price of the engine. aftermarket is not really limited but isn't making much more power than GM parts.

If your dead set on an engine swap i believe the LS engines are a better option, although not toyota parts it will be an easier swap. More aftermarket "swap" parts availible than any other engine period.

I would like to see a piston and rod set that will take 500-550 HP without worry for the 1gr. But this really isnt the thread to discuss this.




ZZ4 although nice, definatly not capable to make the power of the other two engines. and really it's not going to be much more expensive. as well its an iron block, so it's going to be heavier than the LS design. Same with the 351. with how many people are putting LS engines into everything you will more than likely be able to find headers to fit it already made.. the other two maybe if your lucky. Custom headers are expensive.

and yes you could get a good buck for the 1gr engine with electronics, but i think you may still need to keep your standard computer.

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your info is VERY conservative.

Stock ls blocks and cranks are good for 1000 horses.
LSX iorn block is good for 2000 horse but the only one to put that much power outta one was cantracted by gm to prove it. they made 100 drag runs at 2000 horse and have no problem

what i dont get is why they are useing the old ls6. they are a little difficult to find used. they came in 2002 fbodies and c5 z06 tahts all to my knowledge.

personally i would like to see an ls2 or an ls3 would be my pic. either which way the diffrences are very minor. such as where the oil pressure sensor is located and such.

my question is if this kit were to come to life in order for me to purchase it it would have to be a fully tunable PCM.

But the biggest factor would be emmisions as to very few of us garage queen our x. i understand that the factory ecu would be replace but what about our ABS and all the accesories and well everything else but the eninge. Here in MO anything after 96 has to pass a simple OBD test were they just plug in and see if the monitors are run and the CEL isnt commanded on. Ive been looking into doing a ls3 swap for some time now. GMPP makes a pcm that comes with all your sensors and a gass pedal that is needed for the drive by wire. it cost around 800 bucks. but im not sure if you will be able to pass a dlc test here. the stated only gives out 300 exemptions a year for kit cars and engine swaps.

i have just thought that if i were to do the swap i would loose everything and have to make a custom cluster and loose the abs and all that crap bt if you can find a way around this i would be more than intrested in looking at the kit if the price is right.

the important thing to remeber is that the lsx engines are basicly interchangeable. the diffrences are very minor on the out side. its just sensor location and such. the actual dimmensions are the same minus a half inch or so on the heads. so i wouldnt recommend making this kit just for the ls6 i woul d be more intrested in buying one that comes with the extensions to convert between the 2. that and you need to remmeber that there are 2 adiffrent reluctor wheels for the crank sensors on these eginges. and i would love it if you had a pcm that could choose between the 2. even in the gm woulrd your only options when shwitching between the tow is to get a difffrent pcm or swap the reluctor wheel on the crank. there is a company that is developing a box but it is not supposed to be relaeasd for quiet some time now.

my fingers hurt now so im done

quicky06 said:

your info is VERY conservative.

Stock ls blocks and cranks are good for 1000 horses.
LSX iorn block is good for 2000 horse but the only one to put that much power outta one was cantracted by gm to prove it. they made 100 drag runs at 2000 horse and have no problem

what i dont get is why they are useing the old ls6. they are a little difficult to find used. they came in 2002 fbodies and c5 z06 tahts all to my knowledge.

personally i would like to see an ls2 or an ls3 would be my pic. either which way the diffrences are very minor. such as where the oil pressure sensor is located and such.

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My numbers are conservative if you want to fill the block with block hardener and drag race it only because otherwise it will overheat. Yes the block has more potential when prepared correctly.. But for a street driven Aluminum block LS1 or LS6 the main caps are not strong enough nor will the block hold up with that much power for long without being filled with block hardner. Most people will not want to go this route. LSX block was again filled with block hardner to achive this. The LSX block is definatly insaine. But not practical for our use.

those numbers are with full coolant systems. the blocks are just built that well. your right that you would need forged main caps like the ones on the ls9 and ls7 theye are readuky avalible. the blocks and cranks can take 1000 horse power with out filling the anything. i have seen it done time and time again, my old drag car had no problems with 800 horse and a 200 shot with a ls2.

but can we please not destroy gadgets thread with this.

either way i think it can be concluded we need more info on trannys, ECU's, PRICE! and a few others before anyone would say "oh lets go drop LS6 or 2JZ in my X" but with Gadget behind this i'm sure there would be no problems or hang ups on actual kits.

Hey gadget...For the LS engine swap, how custom is the electronics going to need to be? Or might you be able to do a kinda piggyback like the map-ecu?

I'm sure they're going to make a pnp harness of some sort. Running full stand alone is alright, but usually by doing so you'll lose a lot of the "daily driver" functionality that the stock ECU has (so I hear anyway)

where's gadget?? he was post number 15, and we havent heard anything since. there seems to be a lot of information and ideas being exchanged... need some info! when are these kits expected to be for sale, and for how much??

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where's gadget?? he was post number 15, and we havent heard anything since. there seems to be a lot of information and ideas being exchanged... need some info! when are these kits expected to be for sale, and for how much??

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he's a SEMA droolin over all the cars like i wanna be:eviltongue:

this thread died too! arrrrrrrgh!

Gadget has a lot of reading to do...:laugh:

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Motor swap

I will take the option of the LS7, thats more than enough power for a lil truck, but will they make a tranny to bolt to it. I would love to see the 6spd if possible.:rockon:

Heres 0.2$ from a non X-Runner Base Tacoma owner.

I have the 2.7 engine, chosen for fuel economy above power. I regretted that decision about 4 mins after driving off the lot. If your swap could be independant of base model, was cheaper or close in total to the SC with an engine trade in, and had a guarantee for at least 6 months, Id shell out for it.

Make the engine more intelligent with the ability for the ECU to shutdown 2-4 of those cylinders to give greater fuel economy when just maintaining speed...Id sell my left nut and my soul for it. Make the turn around less than 3-5 days from arrival to return to customer and ooooooooh yeah!

If you need a non X-Runner test car with a 2.7 2WD setup, lemme know.