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I'm at work so I can't take time to address all of the things that I want right now, but I felt that a couple things needed to be addressed.

klint said burn outs or any other type of mis conduct on xfest east will result in a ban well some one decided to do doughnuts in a parking lot and then videos where posted but no action was taken if it was me i wouldnt be able to post this right now i have talk to many people from this site and got alot of inforamtion and it is upsetting

i agree with this completely 100% i wondered about the same thing while at XFE

It was mentioned before about the burnouts at XFE.. When we had XFW, we were specifically told no burnouts or anything in the parking lot, respect the hotel and the property. After that all being said, URD pulls out there tundra and does a burnout(if you can even call it that) right in the middle of the Xrunners. Whats up with that?

There seem to be some that are hung up on this, so let me set this straight once and for all since NO ONE has actually asked me what happened in either of these situations. That's right; I've not received one PM, phone call or conversation regarding this.

First - at XFW, the "burnout" was done by a non-member of this site and a visitor at the event that did not even have a ticket nor agree to the rules associated with that ticket. Was he part of a company that sponsors this site? Yes. And for that reason alone, I sent Gadget a PM chewing him a new one. I hope he saved it so that he can post it and prove it to you guys (since everyone seems to think that I always rule in Gadget's favor). I told him it was very uncool of Brian to do that and that it was going to put me in a weird spot trying to enforce that in the future. If I was going to ban anyone, it would be Brian and since Brian isn't even a member here (or an active member), what's the worth in that?

Second - at XFE the burnout was NOT done on any of the property associated with the events... and I wasn't even there. After we ate dinner Saturday the group split up. Some went to Gatlinburg, some went go kart racing, some went back to the hotel - personally, my wife wanted to do the reverse bungy thing so I took her to a place she could do it. The good, husbandly thing to do. The burnout occurred at the go kart place. The go kart place was never on the scheduled list of locations, and while attendees to XFE were there, it was not PART of XFE. That, and that alone is why no action was taken.

Based on how some want me to handle this situation, you are basically saying that if there is evidence that you did a burnout in the same city as X-Fest, you will be banned. :dontknow:

I really did like this site but after seeing how money pulls the administers one way its not worth coming here id rather read what dallas cowboy has to say

I can see how the vendors get treated alot better here also. Just because of the $. If your going to put your foot down then you need to do it to everyone not a certain group. not fair at all

You guys must really think that I'm sitting here banking off the vendors on this site. Little do many of you know that MOST of the vendors trade product for vendor space most of the time. And that product doesn't just go to me either. For instance, vendors may trade product for giveaways at X-Fest events - and I have even given product to another XRU member (for FREE) b/c another vendor that sold a similar product stiffed him. Did I do it to gain that members praises... no. I did it because it was the right thing to do. And think about it --- if a vendor trades a set of HID lights for example, $250 value, that buys them 8 months of vendor space. Making sense now?

It's not just some constant cash flow pouring in here guys that I'm swimming around in. Trust me, I make a lot more money at my day job per hour than I ever will here. The money pays for a service, which is what I try to provide for the vendors. Just like paying for your cell phone - you pay for a service.

Now, do we sometimes get in sticky situations with dealing punishments to vendors --- yes. Why? Not necessarily because of the money (because losing $35/mo isn't going to sink XRU if we banned a vendor) - but more because I don't want to take a vendor from the community that is providing valuable performance products to my members. That doesn't seem fair, does it? And there are only a couple of vendors that haven't had any issues at all. They're not perfect and we can't expect them to be.

As Spyder said above though, and as I tried to make clear in my first post, the infraction system applies to everyone. The vendors are expected to abide by our forum rules too and thus they are not excluded. Since we have a mixed bag of staff, there is no way anyone can conclude that we are collectively biased toward one vendor or another so no vendor will receive favor.

i agree with Brad on this one as well, but it seems quite a few members on here are treated like a "prized bear".

When it comes down to "the man" i completely agree with Brad. I understand that he has helped a lot of people but the praising that is done is absolutly ridiculous.

This has been mentioned a few times, mostly via PM, but I think that this is a good opportunity to get this out in the open. I don't know if the above comments were directed toward me but I know for a fact that some people believe that I'm wholeheartedly biased toward URD and it's personnel.

XRU HAS NO DIRECT AFFILIATION WITH URD OR ANY OF IT'S PERSONNEL

First - I have to apologize to Gadget that this even has to be done, discussing my relationship with him and his company in a public forum. At the end of the day it's no ones business but since some people continue to make it their business I feel the need to discuss this in a public forum.

The fact that these allegations about me, Gadget, XRU and the "in" crowd continues to surface is almost ridiculous. Again, no one has ever ASKED my opinion of Gadget or URD - people find it much easier to make assumptions and live by them. But I'll tell you here, I like Gadget. Gadget has never given me any reason to not like or trust him. He has never wronged me and has gone out of his way on more than one occasion to help me. In my book, you have my respect until you lose it.

My affiliation with URD is basically non-existant. URD is a vendor here, just like every other vendor. I have purchased products from URD just like the rest of you. I purchased my TCAI from their website and also my URD catback. I paid for the my MAPECU2 in person when Gadget helped me with my S/C installation (which btw is a TRD unit). Why am I disclosing this to you? Because I want people to know more about our relationship than just making their own (mostly wrong) assumptions.

And speaking of, for all those that feel that Gadget constantly trashes TRD and only promotes URD.............. why did he tell me to buy a TRD unit then? I had a long talk with him about it and in the end he told me to buy the TRD. Why? Because it suited my needs better. Low maintenance, not really looking to upgrade it much, daily driver. He was honest with me about it and that buys far more than money ever could.

Gadget has my respect b/c he has not given me a reason to not respect him. But he's not perfect. Neither is Mike, Doug, Shane, Glen or any of the other vendors here. We all make mistakes.

There may be other users here that consider Gadget a "prized bear" but I'm pretty confident that they are only speaking from the same experiences that I've had with him. He's extremely helpful, very active in our community and fun to hang around - or at least these are my experiences, I can't speak for others.

But let it be known here and now, and hopefully for the last time, that URD has no bias in the minds of the XRU staff and we don't moderate or rule in their favor just b/c they're URD. And quite frankly I'm getting tired of the accusations.
 

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The forum itself has been fine but the praising of members because they are the "in" crowd is absurd. Take a quick glance at the past ROTM trucks.. I will not mention exactly what truck comes to mind when im typing this but the member is not very frequent and i have never seen a helpful post from him.. I thought those were the rules for ROTM.. have to be here a lot and help out.. both of which didnt make any sense, but since he was with the "in" crowd, hes golden.

I myself am curious who this is...:dontknow: could you PM me with your thoughts

on another note, i also think vendors should be exempt from being TOTM not sure why exactly just something about the vendor/designer of products for our truck never sat well with me.

I disagree with this totally...so you are saying that just because you offer a product to other members that you should be ineligible fot TROTM.
Most venders here don't sell products that they can get from a distributer that's sitting on the shelf in some wharehouse. Most vendors have a creative idea that there is a likely demand for, take the time to do R&D putting their own money at risk up front for the development of the product, are most likely testing the product on their own truck, risking damage, then making the effort to get it produced and available to us! Once that's done they are handling orders and shipping the product out, and taking criticism (constructive or not) about their products, amd i'm sure not much profit is being pocketed. All this to offer us a product for our trucks that is not already available ( you probably have some of these products on your truck ) while still being a member and friend on the site...
IMO these venders should be honored and not punished...
 

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I think its clear with all the long posts, everyone has something to say.

I'll just add my opion..

If you have a issue with things said or pics posted here cause your at work, dont look at work. I think if you told your boss you were on a truck forum on his/her time youd probably be fired. So I think your breaking the rules at work.

I have no issues with anyone. Ive said many many times that I too have met some friend for a life time from this site and my stupid truck.

I've tried to be very helpful.. for those of you that dont know. I dyno'd my truck after every mod so others could see the expected gains. This was to save the XRU community some money based no performance. I bring this up cause I have recently been challenged on my opion of TRD vs URD. Take the "man" out of it for a sec. From what Ive done with my truck, what Ive dyno'd, and the performances Ive seen I feel I can state my opion with out a bunch of crap. if you want to know why I feel this way feel free to PM me. whenever I see a newer member post up asking about a s/c I think its a vaild and ok for me to post my opion.

I think some of the censorship is extreme. I'm on a bunch of different sites. this IS the only site so censored. I say open up a Super punch out thread and let us box. we get it out of our system there.

I will be limiting my post from now on, cause I got a infraction for stating my opion.

peace out girl scout.
 

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I openly speak my mind; sometimes I post what I'm thinkg & sometimes I don't post what I'm thinking.

Their are a few members on here that openly bash said vendor & said people blindly, Its really childish.I know that I have contributed to these "rants/flame wars", but only because what is being said is so redeclous.

I've looked at the forum from an outsiders POV recently & I have to say that I would be hesistant to join due to some of the threads in recent times.


Kudos to the XRU staff for tryn to get things under control, XRU isn't the same as when I joined. But when a forum grows as XRU has, it gets harder to keep as a "happy community".

WOW...the TRD vs URD is blatent here. IMO...the TRD guys can't stand URD & openly bash it & anywho who has URDs products. I can honetlsy say that I have never bashed TRD, the S/C is a good unit, the CAI is a good intake. But for thsoe that think G only promotes URD & trashes TRD, you obviously have NEVER talked to him in person.

There I said it...that's just my oppinion, hate me if u want to.
 
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I will be limiting my post from now on, cause I got a infraction for stating my opion.

(This isn't directed just at Steve but toward others that have mentioned receiving an infraction on this thread)

Stop getting your feelings hurt because one of the staff members called you out and realize that maybe you were in the wrong in regards to the terms of use on this forum. If you have a question about the infraction, respond to the PM that was sent to you regarding it. The PM comes from the moderator or Admin that gave it.

There seems to be some disillusions about the infraction system. You don't get banned with 1 point/infraction. I haven't setup the automatic settings yet, and I won't disclose the exact numbers here but it will take more than 1-2 infractions before something happens.
 

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I started on this site for info on my truck and took away alot of great ideas. I have also met alot great people. Thanks to the the great group of guys and gals I did alot of wonderful things to my X that I will now carry on to my next project. Even though I dont have my X anymore I still enjoy XRU....Why? the people. I hate long winded threads so that all I have to say. Thanks Klint and mods for all your hard work.
 

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(This isn't directed just at Steve but toward others that have mentioned receiving an infraction on this thread)

Stop getting your feelings hurt because one of the staff members called you out and realize that maybe you were in the wrong in regards to the terms of use on this forum. If you have a question about the infraction, respond to the PM that was sent to you regarding it. The PM comes from the moderator or Admin that gave it.

There seems to be some disillusions about the infraction system. You don't get banned with 1 point/infraction. I haven't setup the automatic settings yet, and I won't disclose the exact numbers here but it will take more than 1-2 infractions before something happens.

I already pm'd you. However I was in the wrong for the off topics of that thread. I was wrong.. my fault
 

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WOW, everyone.

I read more that I post now. I used to feel like posting more, but I am still on all the time. Yes, site is different than when I came aboard over a year ago. Everyone needs to chill.

Great job moderators. The best we can do is what you are doing. Laying it all out on the table for all to see. This thread is a great idea. I actually read all the long posts about 35min of reading. I did this because I am concerned for the forum to return to the good old days. I am in front of a computer all day and if the moderators/administrators need help in any way I would be glad to offer up my time. Lets try to get the community back.
 

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There seems to be some disillusions about the infraction system. You don't get banned with 1 point/infraction. I haven't setup the automatic settings yet, and I won't disclose the exact numbers here but it will take more than 1-2 infractions before something happens.

Yesssss... I got a buffer, lol

I think some of the censorship is extreme. I'm on a bunch of different sites. this IS the only site so censored. I say open up a Super punch out thread and let us box. we get it out of our system there.

In addition to my chatroom suggestion, I think this is also something to be seriously considered, even if it involves a minor amendment to our constitution. I think it would be helpful for us to have a an area to let some steam off. Sometimes when you don't really like someone, it's b/c they are a lot like you and have similar tendencies (Which is why I absolutely hate Clokwrk... lol, j/k) but after people butt heads, they realize their similarities and could become best of friends.

What frustrates me about the "bickering" is that at some point it no longer becomes about facts. It's not A is right and B is wrong. It turns into a bunch of finger-pointing then both sides end up losing credibility in their disagreements. At that point is when they should be diverted to some other place whether it is a (less-censored NSFW) members only sub-forum or chatroom or whatever.
 

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What frustrates me about the "bickering" is that at some point it no longer becomes about facts. It's not A is right and B is wrong. It turns into a bunch of finger-pointing then both sides end up losing credibility in their disagreements. At that point is when they should be diverted to some other place whether it is a (less-censored NSFW) members only sub-forum or chatroom or whatever.

I like how you put things sean...

do you think we could have a boxing match at the next XFest...:laugh: for those that have ill feelings towards another person and visa versa...let em duke it out and have a beer after...
 

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I like the rules. I don't post enough to really break the rules, I just like to read alot.
 

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I think it would be helpful for us to have a an area to let some steam off.

for those that have ill feelings towards another person and visa versa...let em duke it out and have a beer after...

This will never happen here at XRU. The last forum that I was a moderator on lived by a lot of the same rules we have here and everything went great until the owner decided to open a new subforum titled "The Outhouse." Anything went there... politics, religion, beefs between users, whatever.

It was shortly after that I left. Not because of that forum but because the feelings between users started floating outside of that forum to other sections. It's impossible to stop a runaway train.

If you got a beef, take it to the chatroom. That area is unmoderated and you can basically say what you want in realtime.
 

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This will never happen here at XRU. The last forum that I was a moderator on lived by a lot of the same rules we have here and everything went great until the owner decided to open a new subforum titled "The Outhouse." Anything went there... politics, religion, beefs between users, whatever.

It was shortly after that I left. Not because of that forum but because the feelings between users started floating outside of that forum to other sections. It's impossible to stop a runaway train.

If you got a beef, take it to the chatroom. That area is unmoderated and you can basically say what you want in realtime.

klint my comment was more of a joke than an actual question...was just trying to cheer some members up or make them laugh...
 

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If you have a issue with things said or pics posted here cause your at work, dont look at work. I think if you told your boss you were on a truck forum on his/her time youd probably be fired. So I think your breaking the rules at work.

Also forgot to comment on this one... I have the understanding while at work that I browse at my own risk. I even occasionally venture over into the Underground, but as stated, regardless of whether I'm looking at a bunch of bleeped out asterisks or whooty pictures, it is equally a waste of company time and hopefully I never get caught :smile:

I try not to personalize responses to these threads, but I'd also like to add that when Steve first came over from CT he initially rubbed a few people the wrong way and ruffled some feathers. Although he's occasionally in one of these types of incidents and straddles the infraction line, I think he's adapted pretty well until a statement response is directed at him... just an observation. We have many different personality types on this site, none really offensive, but some very defensive, which then becomes personal (on the surface). This is how a lot of these things get started.
 

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klint my comment was more of a joke than an actual question...was just trying to cheer some members up or make them laugh...

I know - just explaining some of my history so others will understand why I make some of the decisions that I do.
 

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Here is a quick question. How is anyone going to make an informed decision if both the good and the bad are not heard? as long as it is not a personal attack let it ride.

I say this because I would never want to mislead anyone one from purchasing one of my products and get something that was not what they were expecting, that only create future problems for me. This is why I leave the good the bad and the ugly as long as it can be substantiated with facts please let if ride (IMHO this is what Steve (Ntinhri) is doing) he has given both negative and positive feedback on experience that is substantiated (trust me I have gotten both) and I wish more would do the same. How are we supposed to get better if we don't know our faults. That is why this thread is a great idea, pointing out the negatives so we can work them towards the positive.

Oh and I think the vendor being T/ROTM is a great idea, I am the only vendor with an X that does not have the prestigious title and it can not become a true statement until I get the title haha j/k
 

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I know - just explaining some of my history so others will understand why I make some of the decisions that I do.

right on klint. I really do appreciate all the hard work you and the other administrators/moderators do on this forum. Its definitely the best 1 I have ever been apart of and would like to see the community become more tight nit again...

if you ever need any help or any extra moderators you know where to find me. I'm on here everyday and more than willing to help with some of the stress that you all incur...:top:
 

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Here is a quick question. How is anyone going to make an informed decision if both the good and the bad are not heard? as long as it is not a personal attack let it ride.

I say this because I would never want to mislead anyone one from purchasing one of my products and get something that was not what they were expecting, that only create future problems for me. This is why I leave the good the bad and the ugly as long as it can be substantiated with facts please let if ride (IMHO this is what Steve (Ntinhri) is doing) he has given both negative and positive feedback on experience that is substantiated (trust me I have gotten both) and I wish more would do the same. How are we supposed to get better if we don't know our faults. That is why this thread is a great idea, pointing out the negatives so we can work them towards the positive.

I agree with Shane here. It's hard to make some decisions on what direction to go with certain mods because you have to filter through the bias.
 

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How are we supposed to get better if we don't know our faults... as long as it is not a personal attack let it ride.

^ agreed completely. That's what we're working for here. To get all the BS out of the mix and make sure threads are informative, especially for new members or trolls.
 

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i wanna give my opinions!!! :frown: just kidding.. speaking from someone who was here the day the site opened and i've been all through the forums since then, it has changed a bit, we the people might just need to think about how someone else will take our opinions. i take shinnanigans all the time, but its all fun and games til someone's feelings get hurt. if someone has 1 post and posts something in the completely wrong spot, throw em a friendly PM and let em know that we try to keep the site organized to make it easy for everyone to find the information they need when they need it. just be friendly and accept that everyone has different tastes.. theres a Pink taco by me that i thought was hideous until i saw the hott blonde step out and then i loved it!
 
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