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[DOGSTOY06]

ok fellas ,lets throw this one out there and see the response.we have group buys.how bout a group design for engine mods.we have some mechanically inclined wizards in this forum how bout a mental challenge to design a switchable stand alone aux fueled nitous system for our "beloved" Xrunner.I e-mailed the proposal to the tech guys at nx. they say it can be done. now here's the details; a switchable on demand aux fuel system via external 1 gal fuel cell/aux electric fuel pump capable of on demand use @ a traffic light to use to shut down the competition v-8's etc., then be able to be switched back to normal fuel system that the truck feeds off of ie.containing regular fuel.save the aux system for racing fuel 105/110 octane.
do we have such expertise to design a system that could be installed by us for us? I think we do have the expertise., just asking for replies.:dontknow: :top:

 

[MORT-RUNNER]

I totally agree! Unfortunately I am not one of the guys that knows alot about engines. But I will do whatever to put my 2 cents in. Heck...I'll even make sandwiches! :top:

 

[nctourer]

I think it can be done, NX just didnt want to be bothered because the ROI probably isnt there.
In my opinion I think some of the wet kits already on the market like the NOS or ZEX kits that utilize the TP switch might be the easiest starting point for the mod. Plus add aux fuel tank and pump, another fuel solenoid or two, fuel line, n20 purge kit, automatic bottle opener, bottle heater, fuel pressure gages, etc. May even need a heavy duty batt and alternator upgrade to handle all these gizmos.

The big question in my book is what does say a 75-100 shot plus 105+ octane do to the timing? Just the shot with 91-93 octane may require a slight retard, maybe 1 - 2 degrees, so would the 105+ octane negate the retard or require a slight advance. So it seems we may need to add a timing controller to the setup as well.

The next huge question is can the engine management system deal with the sudden change?

Course by the time i pay for all these goodies and testing, buy something i can test on cause my truck aint being the first guinea pig - i could just get a urd sc and probably come out ahead. But the challenge would be wicked fun.

 

[Jonathan]

id say waste of time. it would be more cost effective to do a simple meth injection. one, the motor will run for a few minutes on the gas in the lines by its self, hence, if you wanted to hit the nitrous, it would be a while before the race gas kicked in.

meth should solve that, you have have that switch activated. you dont really need race gas for nitrous anyways :dontknow:

 

[nctourer]

In my scenario an aux gas line would be run to the engine compartment and T'ed in as close as posible to the EFI so the race fuel would be injected in seconds not minutes. Couple solenoids would control which fuel pump and line is active.
Agree that this is really not practical but fun rarely is.

 

[SWB X]

:stupid: :dontknow: :stupid:

sh!t, just do a turbo

 

[DOGSTOY06]

In my scenario an aux gas line would be run to the engine compartment and T'ed in as close as posible to the EFI so the race fuel would be injected in seconds not minutes. Couple solenoids would control which fuel pump and line is active.
Agree that this is really not practical but fun rarely is.

i'm half way there need bottle heater,control valve,fuel pump,and the solenoids,have the rest,should be getting the control valve,fuel pump this week coming up. don'thave 2 g's for turbo,will collect ssi before trd gets off their ass w/ the s/c besides the 5 g's they'll want.just want a nice surprize for these knuclehead necks and there big bad fords,chevy's that just have to act like asses every time they see my truck on the road. i figure one good smackdown & the word will spread like wildfire not to mess with the little black truck.!!:top:

 

[DOGO X]

Jon that's a good idea :top:

 

[nctourer]

Correct me if im wrong, but BigDogs truck isnt sporting a S/C or T/C so alky/water injection isnt going to do much for him. It certainly cant provide the 75+ shot that BigDogs looking for.
Sure he can advance the timing with alky/water injection but he cant change the compression ratio which would provide for the most gain.
Just thinking out loud.
Cheers.

 

[Gadget]

A dual fueled vehicle is very easy to do.

Quantum/Tecstar liked my URD 5vz Turbo Port fueler idea and developed that into a high boost project vehicle. It runs on an upgraded stock like fuel system for normal driving then as a boost threshold is crossed the secondary injector system comes online spraying methonal to raise the octane for high boost.

Our port fueler could be a methonal system. All you need to do is use an injector compatable with methonal, a separate fuel cell, pump and pressure regulator.

The same can be done very simply for a wet NOS system where instead of gas you fuel the system with methonal. All you need is a seperate fuel cell, pump, and pressure regulator. The correct proportions of methonal to nitrous would have to be figured out and the jets adjusted.

Gadget

 

[DOGSTOY06]

Correct me if im wrong, but BigDogs truck isnt sporting a S/C or T/C so alky/water injection isnt going to do much for him. It certainly cant provide the 75+ shot that BigDogs looking for.
Sure he can advance the timing with alky/water injection but he cant change the compression ratio which would provide for the most gain.
Just thinking out loud.
Cheers.

OK IM WITH YOU NC AND GADGET ON THIS ONE .I HAVE A STOCK MOTOR EXCEPT THE HEADERS AND THROTTLE BODY ADDED.NX REP SAID RUN THE CELL WITH 105/110 AKI CAUSE NITROUS LOVES HIGH OCTANE FUEL.NOW WE HAVE SOMETHING GOING .GADGET APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT BUT DON'T WANT TO SPECULATE THE FORMULA OF METHANOL TO N02 FOR JET SIZING AND WIND UP LIKE ROB (BOOM) .LIKE THE THOUGHT OF A 70 SHOT WITH 105 THAT I CAN REDIALLY GET MY HANDS ON.HAVE STOCK THROTTLE BODY SIZEWISE.MY QUESTION IS STOCK FUEL PRESSURE IS @ 45PSI? CORRECT?I HAVE THE MECH TO DO THE INSTALL BUT WANT ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FROM WIZARDS WITH MOD EXPERIENCE WHEN IT COMES TO TOYOTAS.:top:

 

[nctourer]

Gadget's probably the highest ranking Toyota wizard I know of here when it comes to tuning. I would default to him vs. me every time.
My truck is pretty much stock but will be able to do some mods in a few months. N2O is something im considering from a cost/performance stand point. Doing lots of research.
Wish there were a few others here with n2o experience that could chime in but it seems like most advicate s/c or t/c.
Wonder how many X's out there are actually running s/c, t/c or n2o?
150, 40 and 5 respectively?

 

[Stevenredx]

Gadget's probably the highest ranking Toyota wizard I know of here when it comes to tuning. I would default to him vs. me every time.
My truck is pretty much stock but will be able to do some mods in a few months. N2O is something im considering from a cost/performance stand point. Doing lots of research.
Wish there were a few others here with n2o experience that could chime in but it seems like most advicate s/c or t/c.
Wonder how many X's out there are actually running s/c, t/c or n2o?
150, 40 and 5 respectively?

gadget could answer how many are s/c considering he is the only one that sells them :laugh:

 

[DOGO X]

Anything is posible, just have Gadget chim in! :top:

 

[EagleKeeper]

ok fellas ,lets throw this one out there and see the response.we have group buys.how bout a group design for engine mods.we have some mechanically inclined wizards in this forum how bout a mental challenge to design a switchable stand alone aux fueled nitous system for our "beloved" Xrunner.I e-mailed the proposal to the tech guys at nx. they say it can be done. now here's the details; a switchable on demand aux fuel system via external 1 gal fuel cell/aux electric fuel pump capable of on demand use @ a traffic light to use to shut down the competition v-8's etc., then be able to be switched back to normal fuel system that the truck feeds off of ie.containing regular fuel.save the aux system for racing fuel 105/110 octane.
do we have such expertise to design a system that could be installed by us for us? I think we do have the expertise., just asking for replies.:dontknow: :top:

Already workin on it. Just got the nitrous kit last week. :rock:
HOWEVER, I plan on testing other components prior to installing the system, in order to "map" the route of power progression in stages. My original plan was for a direct-port system with a WOT switch. Shouldn't be too hard to make Jon's idea a reality. As I move forward with the nitrous installation, I'll examine this and see if it is a viable option for me to undertake. Thanks for the idea Jon! :beer: :driver:

 

[DOGSTOY06]

Already workin on it. Just got the nitrous kit last week. :rock:
HOWEVER, I plan on testing other components prior to installing the system, in order to "map" the route of power progression in stages. My original plan was for a direct-port system with a WOT switch. Shouldn't be too hard to make Jon's idea a reality. As I move forward with the nitrous installation, I'll examine this and see if it is a viable option for me to undertake. Thanks for the idea Jon! :beer: :driver:

NO PROBLEMO !! I'm going to try and get my toyota mech to get on xru with us over this.he's a wizard with nitrous.he wants to do a doulble fail safe for me with the wot sw and a clutch engaged sw also.he gets to rattling off all the tech stuff so fast I can't absorb it that fast.but know this he's good at it!:top: