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Who has the SOS rear brake conversion kit?

azjimi

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Reason I ask is that I have it & I could swear it doesn't make a bit of difference. I mean I like the looks & all, but my truck doesn't stop any faster at all...in fact if I had to say, I'd say not quite as good.

Anyway, I'll have the lines bled again & install SS lines all around & then see.
 

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you have a BBK up front? did you know they use reman rear calipers off old cop cars? at least thats what i was told from an insider........

anyways, i dont think my truck stops well with the BBK. why? i need a manual proportioning valve. i think too much bias is in the back. my back brakes get hot enough where the e brake will not so •XR•XR•XR•XR, and the truck will still roll even on a very slight downhill, where the front are still loving life. its on my list to do to get a manual valve and f with it
 

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you have a BBK up front? did you know they use reman rear calipers off old cop cars? at least thats what i was told from an insider........

anyways, i dont think my truck stops well with the BBK. why? i need a manual proportioning valve. i think too much bias is in the back. my back brakes get hot enough where the e brake will not so •XR•XR•XR•XR, and the truck will still roll even on a very slight downhill, where the front are still loving life. its on my list to do to get a manual valve and f with it

Yeah, I have the BBK in front.
I thought you had a Stoptech kit? You know their whole thing is balanced braking in their kits ...in other words maintaining the proper proportion betwween front & rear so that exactly what's happending with yours DOESN'T happen. Anyway, let me know how the valve works out cuz mine definitely need improvement.

As far as the remanufactured calipers....gee, I always wanted to have real cop car parts on my truck:thumpdown:
 

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Drum brakes actually have more braking ability than disc.

this may seem odd to you, but compare the two.
with the drum, you got two large brake shoes, measuring about 14-18 IN squared each for a total friction surface of 28-36 square inches of friction material on the drum.

your disc conversion has two brake pads, measuring maybe 5-7 in square each. thats only 10-14 sqaure in of friction material for rotor.

10-14 vs 28-36 square inchs.

drum brakes have a advantage when it comes to total braking ability.


that being said, the reason drums suck is there lack of abilty to shed heat.

heat kills brake performance. A disc has lots of surface area to shed heat, not to mention internal vains for further heat disipation.

drum systems, having everything encased inside the friction surface, builds up heat quickly, and quickly starts to fade.

Make sense???
 

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would drilling holes in the drums help? or would that weakin it?:hmmmm2:
 

REG CAB X

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Drum brakes actually have more braking ability than disc.

this may seem odd to you, but compare the two.
with the drum, you got two large brake shoes, measuring about 14-18 IN squared each for a total friction surface of 28-36 square inches of friction material on the drum.

your disc conversion has two brake pads, measuring maybe 5-7 in square each. thats only 10-14 sqaure in of friction material for rotor.

10-14 vs 28-36 square inchs.

drum brakes have a advantage when it comes to total braking ability.


that being said, the reason drums suck is there lack of abilty to shed heat.

heat kills brake performance. A disc has lots of surface area to shed heat, not to mention internal vains for further heat disipation.

drum systems, having everything encased inside the friction surface, builds up heat quickly, and quickly starts to fade.

Make sense???

Why wouldn't they be able to make a slotted drum? This would allow better cooling and allow the brake dust to escape.
 

Organic Mechanic

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maybe, but your still not even going to come close to the heat disapation of a disc. the vanes in a disc actually force air through the rotor through centifugal force, helping to cool it.


if your towing a lot of stuff, stick with the drum.

if your racing on a track, get the disc conversion.

I would be suprised if you could find me ONE example of a track/race car that had a drum system on it.
 

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Drum brakes actually have more braking ability than disc.

this may seem odd to you, but compare the two.
with the drum, you got two large brake shoes, measuring about 14-18 IN squared each for a total friction surface of 28-36 square inches of friction material on the drum.

your disc conversion has two brake pads, measuring maybe 5-7 in square each. thats only 10-14 sqaure in of friction material for rotor.

10-14 vs 28-36 square inchs.

drum brakes have a advantage when it comes to total braking ability.


that being said, the reason drums suck is there lack of abilty to shed heat.

heat kills brake performance. A disc has lots of surface area to shed heat, not to mention internal vains for further heat disipation.

drum systems, having everything encased inside the friction surface, builds up heat quickly, and quickly starts to fade.

Make sense???
That is true when it comes to semi's and dump trucks, ect. because they have such a big rim that they use a massive drum set up, but when it comes to tiny pickup truck brakes, I do not agree.
 

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here's my .02 worth. i've had the sos rear disc set up for about a year now and don't have any complaints. my truck with e-brake set holds the truck still.granted the front does the most of the stopping, i believe some of these complaints are probably due in part to driving style. disc's are designed to disapate heat not stop you from 60 -0 in 20 ft. you've seen em in your travels,the knucklehead that hauls azz to the stop and jams the brakes 20 ft from the stop.of course you may have a complaint but analyze how you drive first.:top:
 

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Yeah, I have the BBK in front.
I thought you had a Stoptech kit? You know their whole thing is balanced braking in their kits ...in other words maintaining the proper proportion betwween front & rear so that exactly what's happending with yours DOESN'T happen. Anyway, let me know how the valve works out cuz mine definitely need improvement.

I believe the Stoptech BBK is designed for front discs & stock rear drums.
By upgrading the rear to discs, you have thrown off the brake proportioning they designed into their kit & moved the brake bias to the rear.

Finally, under an OEM bias condition, the rear brakes only contribute about 15-20% of all the braking force the vehicle generates, and when you install sticky tires you actually DECREASE the amount of work they need to do. Why? Because at the higher deceleration levels afforded by race tires, there is more weight transfer taking place, reducing the normal force on the rear tires and increasing it on the front (remember F=µN from above?). If anything, we now want to decrease the rear effectiveness. Ironic once again.
Of course, if you decide to upsize your rear brake system components you can also impact the front-rear torque relationship, and consequently you can "bias" the "balance" more toward the rear. Go too far, and the rear brakes could lock before the fronts. Again, not the end result you were expecting, right?
It has been said that "The folks at STOPTECH should consider developing a rear kit to match their front setup. They'll be very happy with the performance improvement if done properly." Well, since our FRONT systems are designed properly, we save you the need to spend your money on the back axle.
Let's reword that quote to reflect the STOPTECH philosophy: "Our competitors should consider developing a FRONT kit to match their stock bias condition. They'll be very happy with the performance improvement if done properly, AND will save their customers the cost of a rear brake upgrade in the process."

Installing a proportioning valve removes braking force from the rear, which defeats the purpose of installing discs in the first place (unless of course you did it just for looks).
You'd be better off re-installing the drums than spending money on a valve.

Just my 2 cents...
 

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I believe the Stoptech BBK is designed for front discs & stock rear drums.
By upgrading the rear to discs, you have thrown off the brake proportioning they designed into their kit & moved the brake bias to the rear.



Installing a proportioning valve removes braking force from the rear, which defeats the purpose of installing discs in the first place (unless of course you did it just for looks).
You'd be better off re-installing the drums than spending money on a valve.

Just my 2 cents...
Well said. Makes me think twice about getting a disc brake system in the rear now.
 

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I guess if toyota thought rear disc were necessary they would have put them on themselves . Would the TRD bbk have the same problems? or if you kept the front the same and upgraded the rear would that make a difference?
 

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doubtful the rear conversion would help the small spongey rotor set up ,up front.the rear conversion I have with the bbk (trd) up front and the pair work well together and it also balances the look as well.:top:
 
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