If Ford can do it...why not Toyota?

[X-Pablo]

It's all about reliability/cost ratio that's why Toyota is at the top!

This is the exact reason Toyota doesn't do turbo's, besides they know there are aftermarket Supercharger options for those that want boost.

 

[braves011]

Make no mistake about it. Ford is building some very nice cars and trucks. Their quality has been improving and so have the base features. Toyota quality has degraded a bit in the last few years.

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G you hit the nail on the head. Ford is making some really good vehicles right now and stepped up from what they we're 5 years ago.

The reason Toyo hasn't produced a TT V6 is because its a niche market, Ford put TT on the V6 so it would have the power of a V8 and fuel economy of a V6 not so it would a 1/4mi monster.

Also your X new is about 20-24k (give or take depending on your negotiating skills) the ecoboost is around 30k so take that extra 6-10k and slap a turbo on your X and you will be square.

I dont know about ya'll I'm waiting on the ecoboost Focus or Fiesta:rockon::rockon:

^ says it all. I'm a mechanic. I work On fords every day. Tons of issues on new and old ones. Their quality is imProving, but so far, Toyota is still far above. The ecoboost is just hitting the market, I just had 2 classes on just this motor, and there's already gobs of problems. "new" technology from a comPany that still can't fix their old technology. It will undoubtedly be a flop. That being said, there's some genius shiit going on with this motor, and it hits max torque at about 1500 and flatlines all the way through. Pretty impressive.

I dont know what Fords your working on. I've own 4 Fords (2F150's, Escort, 81' Tbird) and had more problems with my XR than all four of the Fords combined.

 

[Torspd]

This is the exact reason Toyota doesn't do turbo's, besides they know there are aftermarket Supercharger options for those that want boost.

That statement implies that turbos are not reliable. Which is highly against the case. They are extremely reliable. Otherwise you wouldn't see them on so many factory vehicles. From lots of manufacturers, from small gas engines, to sports cars, to diesel passenger and commercial vehicles.

 

[rich017]

^ says it all. I'm a mechanic. I work On fords every day. Tons of issues on new and old ones. Their quality is imProving, but so far, Toyota is still far above. The ecoboost is just hitting the market, I just had 2 classes on just this motor, and there's already gobs of problems. "new" technology from a comPany that still can't fix their old technology. It will undoubtedly be a flop. That being said, there's some genius shiit going on with this motor, and it hits max torque at about 1500 and flatlines all the way through. Pretty impressive.

I highly disagree with you. I have yet to see any of the new stuff come in with problems due to lack of quality. Certified ford ASSET here

 

[1GRracer]

That statement implies that turbos are not reliable. Which is highly against the case. They are extremely reliable. Otherwise you wouldn't see them on so many factory vehicles. From lots of manufacturers, from small gas engines, to sports cars, to diesel passenger and commercial vehicles.

Forgot one, military. lol. here's a superturbo though. http://www.sae.org/mags/aei/8256

 

[Torspd]

That is badass. Now if only I could read the article with out it freezing.

 

[5H4D0WD347H]

I highly disagree with you. I have yet to see any of the new stuff come in with problems due to lack of quality. Certified ford ASSET here

A certified ass eh? :laugh:

 

[RJDoute]

I dont know what Fords your working on. I've own 4 Fords (2F150's, Escort, 81' Tbird) and had more problems with my XR than all four of the Fords combined.

This. My XR is a god damn lemon. My previous dodge was the same way. My is350 had issues too at 30k. My old Ford used to run over stop signs and not even bat an eye. 5.0L Crown Vic Tank FTW.

 

[Murderface]

I highly disagree with you. I have yet to see any of the new stuff come in with problems due to lack of quality. Certified ford ASSET here

^^^^^20 years old and claim to be a Ford Master Tech huh? Sorry aint buying that one bit. Just because u don't see it at ur stealership doesn't mean it's not happening elsewhere. My stealership said they've NEVER heard of the Tacoma TO bearing problem yet Toyota released a TSB for it. Get my point? I believe ur young and u still have a lot to learn as a mechanic and in life, dot get discouraged as u will learn as u go because it's not something taught but something learned thru years of experience:top:

Also the last company I worked for bought 6-10 new Ford F-250-350's every other year. We had 2010's that had to get sent back and have new engines installed because their 4.6l and 5.4l's are JUNK! the new engines can't be that much better

 

[Edgeman]

BMW has changed their engine direction over the last 10 years. In the past, BMW only produced two turbocharged cars, the 2002 Turbo from the early 70s, and the 745 from the 80s. They have jumped on the turbo bandwagon with both feet after the success of the 135/335/535 engines. They will soon put a turbo-4 in the Z4 that puts out mid 200s HP ratings. They also have "M" versions of their SUVs are getting turbocharged V8s. And as a complete shock to me, the current V8 powered M3 will be the last & only V8 powered M3. The next M3 engine is going to be a turbocharged I-6.

I think fuel economy and ease of manufacture are the reasons they have gone from the high-tech V10 & V8 engines to turbocharged V8 & I6 engines. They've probably hit the efficiency wall for their NA engines too... Turbocharging/Supercharging gives you a huge boost in performance for the buck.

Heck, Toyota even had a turbocharged truck in the 80s (22R-TE engine)...at least for a few years.

 

[kelson]

^^^^^20 years old and claim to be a Ford Master Tech huh? Sorry aint buying that one bit. Just because u don't see it at ur stealership doesn't mean it's not happening elsewhere. My stealership said they've NEVER heard of the Tacoma TO bearing problem yet Toyota released a TSB for it. Get my point? I believe ur young and u still have a lot to learn as a mechanic and in life, dot get discouraged as u will learn as u go because it's not something taught but something learned thru years of experience:top:

Also the last company I worked for bought 6-10 new Ford F-250-350's every other year. We had 2010's that had to get sent back and have new engines installed because their 4.6l and 5.4l's are JUNK! the new engines can't be that much better

at least the new engines have new technology tho. compared to the SOHC pos 3 valve 5.4s. all new technology valve train, bottom ends and of course all those nice turbos. im not really a ford fanboy or anything, but i have hope in ford now. but yeah it's still ford so they could fk it up. who knows, seriously. this guy that seems to be a "master tech" is speaking way too soon...these engines haven't been out for a while....they could all blow up in 5 years...it's still a ford after all haha.

 

[Grumpy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Yxf55AWeA

The "New" engine technology for ford this year haha.

I dont know whats worse... The fact that ford is using 20+ year old technology finally in 2011, or the fact that the 1GR with this technology (and 4 liters) produces crap for power.

5.0 Coyote = 83 HP per liter
4.0 1GR = 59 HP per liter

Notice the one-wheel-peel? :eviltongue:

To be fair, truck engine tend to produce more torque than horsepower making this comparison a bit one sided. Can I raise you a 5.0L 2UR-GSE from IS-F with 416 hp instead?
Just wait 'til Ford put direct injection in the Coyote!


Being a truck, in Toyota case anyways, always get short change. For example, how much more money is it to have auto-down on both window instead of one? A few cents? Being that they miss the finer point . . . they completely miss the more obvious one. Dual VVTi, coil rear suspension & panhard bar like suv counterpart , direct injection, brake that doesn't suck . . . . same goes for clutch and transmission.

 

[Torspd]

^^^Agreed.

 

[Emanon]

Toyota needs to work on their NA engines first. Personally I think the 1GR is bit anemic when it comes to power.

Turbos are awesome I miss my 1.8 GTi but how idiot proof did Ford make these engines. How forgiving will they be to the average car owner who is not consistent with oil changes? Replacing one turbo hits the wallet hard how bad would two be? I'm curious how well they'll hold up with miles on them.

 

[Murderface]

Forgot the shallow oil pan were stuck with!! But I'd say the trans is the biggest issue with our trucks and Toyota will do nothing to fix it. Betcha the new 2011's and 2012's will have the same shit transmission and all those owners will all have the same TO bearing problem as well as the grinding.

That one-wheel peel is phucking sad shit right there LOL

 

[Super Werty]

Ok so who's trading in...maybe we can get a mustang group buy going:laugh::laugh::laugh:

1. Super Werty
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[Murderface]

Toyota needs to work on their NA engines first. Personally I think the 1GR is bit anemic when it comes to power.

Turbos are awesome I miss my 1.8 GTi but how idiot proof did Ford make these engines. How forgiving will they be to the average car owner who is not consistent with oil changes? Replacing one turbo hits the wallet hard how bad would two be? I'm curious how well they'll hold up with miles on them.

I know the 5.4l's had major issues with the cam phazers getting F'd up with oil sludge(well known for an engine that has major sludge issues) and then throwing the timin outta whack. I'd never buy a Ford truck and not till the new 5.0 mustangs have been out and proved to be reliable would I ever consider getting one

 

[J_StradaXR]

plain and simple. No one will ever the perfect vehicle. they make what profits them better not the public who buys them. even if you bought that ford you will get used to that hp and will probably spend money anyways. Cars is a money pit plain and simple. it doesnt come cheap.

or just put a 2jz engine in the X-Runner like that guy did.
its a hobby money is going to be spent regardless :biggrin:

 

[Emanon]

Ok so who's trading in...maybe we can get a mustang group buy going:laugh::laugh::laugh:

1. Super Werty
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Pass Werty. WRX please.

Stolen from XDSM's new car thread, drop it maybe another .5" -1" and perfect.

 

[Murderface]

plain and simple. No one will ever the perfect vehicle. they make what profits them better not the public who buys them. even if you bought that ford you will get used to that hp and will probably spend money anyways. Cars is a money pit plain and simple. it doesnt come cheap.

or just put a 2jz engine in the X-Runner like that guy did.
its a hobby money is going to be spent regardless :biggrin:

Thx for the info Captain Obvious:top: U gotta know I'm playin!

Pass Werty. WRX please.

Stolen from XDSM's new car thread, drop it maybe another .5" -1" and perfect.

Agreed but they also had their share of engine troubles with spun main bearings and also the famous TO bearing chirp and input shaft issues. They also have a TSK for their trans'