Sittin Sic Drop Leafs (GB prices)

[azjimi]

For performance. Drop blocks are horrible for performance, and will hinder the trucks performance in both launching and cornering.

People will want the drop leafs for the same reason they want the SS drop coils. They want a performance drop. Which isn't offered in either the SOS or c2c drop.

I already have the blocks & the c2c kit. So for all that money, I want to know how EXACTLY is the performance better? In other words, how will it improve launching & cornering?

 

[XrunnIT]

Just because the truck sits lower doesn't mean your getting better handling. Yes it will lower the center of gravity, but there are many factors that go into a performance suspension.

The c2c drop throws off the geometry of the front suspension. Look at how the it gets its drop, it lowers the control arm from the spindle with a spacer. Now you have an extra 1.75" of leverage against the spindle. That doesn't seem like a lot, but it greatly increases the chance of those bolts snapping. Now I have NEVER heard of this happening (and even ran the c2c for a while) but the chance of it happening is much greater, especially when racing and putting a lot of pressure/force on the front suspension.

Easy way to see it, it is easier to snap a long bolt then a short one. As far as performance goes, it creates more room for movement. The key to a real solid performance front suspension isn't reducing body roll, or lowering the center of gravity (though it helps) its keeping the tires straight up and down for max tread contact. the longer bolts create leverage that work against this, and makes it easier for them to pivot.

As far as the drop blocks go, you are creating more space between the axle and the leafs, that space gives the axle more room to shift and move. Now for launching, this means more wheel hop. Your giving the axle leverage to cause more axle wrap, which creates more wheel hop. When cornering it it has more leverage to shift side to side. Its not going to shift much but enough to cause a loss in tread contact.

 

[CursedRacing]

Hey XrunnIT, I've got the SOS kit, does this have the same adverse effects to the handling characteristics of the truck?

Christopher

 

[DallasCowboys]

XRUNNIT, You are right on the money. I myself almost went the cheap route. A front end specialists at Toyota and myself looked at this C2C kit on the internet and brought up these same points. I just did not want to bring this up and make enemies in the forum for speaking the truth. :top:

 

[XrunnIT]

XRUNNIT, You are right on the money. I myself almost went the cheap route. A front end specialists at Toyota and myself looked at this C2C kit on the internet and brought up these same points. I just did not want to bring this up and make enemies in the forum for speaking the truth. :top:

Now everybody that reads this keep in mind. That I'm not saying that the c2c drop is a bad drop, and I myself ran the c2c drop for a while (and even ran an autox with it) and there are a ton of people that have them and have had no problems (aside from alignment) and have drop block ATM (waiting on Shane's drop leafs). I just don't recommend that drop (or the SOS) for hardcore racing.


Here is a pic of the truck racing with the c2c drop. That front wheel does not look good.

 

[aitkenkingfish]

that does look bad what did you end up doing?

 

[aitkenkingfish]

well should I keep looking for a stock set or will the aftermarkets work for me? will the ride be harsh? will they be able to handle the weight?

well im interested in the composits posibly I put 1000 pounds a day in my x & have wore out the stock springs. I guess id be a great tester of either springs.

 

[Shanes56]

Composite leafs are still in R&D, with a few changed being made to the first prototype. The ride is stiffer, and the capacity is more, but 1000lbs is not even safe on stock leafs. Our capacity is only 400lbs give or take 15lbs, this is not gross this is payload. so basically you are overloading your truck and as a result our leafs are flat. The composites do have a larger ppi but it will only increase payload about 150-200lbs. The design of these leafs are not to increase the capacity of our trucks it is to increase the handling of the truck. With that said with stock or custom leafs you are running a risk loading that much into the back of an X.

Shane

well should I keep looking for a stock set or will the aftermarkets work for me? will the ride be harsh? will they be able to handle the weight?

 

[firemedic_119]

can i put a hitch on my truck and tow 2 motorcycles on a trailer? how much for the composites?

 

[tCTaco]

Very interested in the composites...I am assuming that i would still be able to load my quad in the bed?

 

[DallasCowboys]

Very interested in the composites...I am assuming that i would still be able to load my quad in the bed?

These composites are stronger than the stock leafs I just took off. When I loaded my truck Monday the rear did not drop but maybe an eighth of an inch. Seriously. :top:

 

[tCTaco]

These composites are stronger than the stock leafs I just took off. When I loaded my truck Monday the rear did not drop but maybe an eighth of an inch. Seriously. :top:

Well crap...Now Im really intrested :laugh:

 

[Shanes56]

Well crap...Now Im really intrested :laugh:

Two weeks or so and they will be ready for the masses (I hope) Testing them on a couple F/I guys and a couple N/A guys to make sure that there is no issues that need to be worked out before they are produced in large quantities

 

[XrunnIT]

that does look bad what did you end up doing?

Switching to the SS drop. :top:

 

[CosmosX_az]

Group buy for complete set,?? once they're out,, just curiouse:top:

 

[Shanes56]

There will be a group buy for the whole set, stay tuned.

 

[CBRBob]

With the SOS your pre-loading the springs, which takes a lot of the performance away just off the start.

Thats false, the SOS kit takes the preload away, When you move the lower spring pocket away from the top, you lose preload, hence the truck sits lower. When you lose preload, you 'in effect' lose initial spring rate.

 

[tCTaco]

Two weeks or so and they will be ready for the masses (I hope) Testing them on a couple F/I guys and a couple N/A guys to make sure that there is no issues that need to be worked out before they are produced in large quantities

Nice...I now know what I am getting with my Govt. Cheez Stimulous Package! :top:

 

[firemedic_119]

So im taking it that i can still tow or load a bike in the back of my truck... no one answered my question.

 

[DallasCowboys]

So im taking it that i can still tow or load a bike in the back of my truck... no one answered my question.

Yes. Without a doubt these composite leafs are an upgrade to stock leafs. I haul up to 500-600 max. A normal day for me around 200-300 lbs. This is my work truck. With stock leafs loaded you knew it. With the composites no bottoming out. :driver: