It has to do with almost all my post asking Gadget (the said vendor of my problems) deleting my post in his section, or SOMEHOW all my post toward him disappear. They never get answered. They get deleted like it never happened. I DID NOT try or incite a flame war this morning. The said thread was a
"Questions about TRD Supercharger"
Many people WITH a TRD S/C aiding his question and were helpful. Then, this said vendor came to the thread plugging his merchandise, in the TRD thread, off topic to the OP question...
Now, same situation reversed, if we did this in his section, it magically goes away. People who post and say "hey were did Dak's post go?"..they disappear. I know you guys say "its his section we have no control"...thats not the point. Its a double standard. Im tired of this TRD vs. URD crap that goes on here. If a TRD guy says something about a URD, we are "haters"....if the reverse happens....its okay? It happens all over.
Dak -
Since i assume i'm the moderator that's had the least contact or issues or whatever you'd like to call it with you, i think it'd be good for me to address this...
I'm confused when you say "that's not the point" to vendor's having control over their own subforums. I understand the concept of what you find to be a "double standard", but the first and foremost fact should be that vendors are given moderation controls over their subforum in their vendor agreements. All posts deleted/modified within those subforums is the work of the vendor.
So, that aside - (for the record, i read through ALL deleted posts/threads) - just because the threads regarding the URD/TRD ridiculous arguments go way offtopic and downhill (and subsequently deleted/locked) does not mean in any way that some vendor is being protected. To the one particular thread in question - it's sad that a newer member can't ask a question about parts without it inevitably turning into an overall unhelpful argument (I'm not saying it's you that's at fault for it).
Also, it's not like it's the first time you or others have taken this similar type of topic and taken it to a totally unnecessary/unhelpful extent. We (staff) can't be on 24/7, so when it's a thread that's going in the same direction 10 others like it have already gone, it seems like the solution has to be to just get rid of that crap.
I personally have nothing more against you than anyone else currently on this site, so i'm hoping that you take this information in a more constructive way.
Most of you who don't like me can call me a hater all you want, but i come from a world where where I like things to be fair. People on this site can have an opinion, with the exception of when it comes to Gadget. I understand he is a vendor..I understand he may bring a lot of people to the site and so on and so forth, but that shouldn't mean he is free from answering questions about his products, when the question may make him look bad.
Everyone who has been asking these questions to Gadget has the experience, no one in question has been saying anything nonfactual or something they cant back up. And they disappear.
If someone could stop the censorship and the hiding...this would have never happened. I dont like my post disappearing all the time whenever i question the "man"
Dont believe me, read the thread that magically disappeared...i didnt flame anyone, i asked simple questions and stated simple facts....and got a magical infraction for it.
Ive said my peace...now i shall go back to being the "hey looks good man" type of guy...being that is all i can really say without stating an opinion.
I'm in full support of being "fair". - So let's take a moment to think about fairness. We're not trying this infraction system as an attempt at being unfair to anyone. In reality this becomes a regulated and hopefully completely non-bias way of rule enforcement.
I can tell you right now that just like Klint stated, the infractions apply to EVERYONE who violates a rule, and i will do that accordingly. So if you get into an ordeal with Gadget or anyone else for that matter where you both for some reason feel the need to violate forum rules rather than take it to PM/chat etc. you will BOTH receive infractions. - Based on that information, it sounds like we're moving to a much more "fair" system. If you want to not receive infractions,
take the high road and let the other people get themselves in trouble by not being able to do the same.
On a more separate note - I really don't understand why you refer to it as "magically disappeared". It got deleted; and it's not like anyone is hiding the fact that a staff member felt it necessary to do so. Every thread on that topic keeps ending the same way, so quite frankly i am (and i assume the other staff) are just tired of having to babysit it.
Again, i have nothing against you Dak - but i can't help but feel that you've developed this mindset that we just follow you around on here and are out to get you. It's too bad you couldn't make it to the NC meet so we could've talked.
i was the one that started the thread because i had alot of questions about buying a s/c. many of my questions were answered and then the thread went off topic and "vanished". i was a little upset with that because i was trying to read over what some folks had written. i've only been a member here since september and have gained so much information about my truck that i cant say thank you enough. but honestly klint, do what you have to do to keep this site going. its like my second home.
When this site first started, you would have received all the information available (good or bad) in a constructive manner. The fact that it can't seem to be done this way anymore is the reason for this thread.
I think what a lot of members that are on here that weren't here when it first started may not fully realize why this site has this particular mentality. Many people (like myself) came to here from CustomTacos because we were tired and frustrated of all the flaming/bashing etc. that went on. It became a ton of bickering, and (IMO) not as much about the passion for the trucks and information anymore.
The mentality about this sort of change was extremely strong, hence why this site grew to what it did, and it's why we receive so many PM's from people worried that it's changing from how it was at the start.
i have to agree with dak on this one(klint u want proof pm me)
i have stop coming here as much bc of this exact reason there are certian vendors that get treated better than others for example klint said burn outs or any other type of mis conduct on xfest east will result in a ban well some one decided to do doughnuts in a parking lot and then videos where posted but no action was taken if it was me i wouldnt be able to post this right now i have talk to many people from this site and got alot of inforamtion and it is upsetting i really did like this site but after seeing how money pulls the administers one way its not worth coming here id rather read what dallas cowboy has to say
I assume your first sentence refers to the deleted posts; so just for the record, klint and ourselves have access to read ALL deleted posts. But again, vendors are currently given the ability to moderate their own forums however they see fit. - Now maybe if there is a ton of interest against this method, something could change.
I don't know enough about the situation to speak in regards to the burnout/XFE rules etc., but i can honestly say when push comes to shove i do not believe Klint is trying to pick a vendor or anyone else over others. If i truly thought he ran things that way - I'd refuse to moderate here.
Klint, unlike a lot of people with "power", has ALWAYS taken the time to ask other people their opinions on this things (a lot of which in the staff forum) because he's not trying to make things run in a way favorable to him. One of the things i've enjoyed most about this site and being a part of it is that Klint will hear your feedback (whether it be via PM or whatever, he's not gonna just single you out as someone he doesn't like and then never listen to what you say).
ok i've kept my mouth shut alot since being a member here on XRU but i'll go ahead and say a few things but i'm not hating on anyone or any product, vendor etc...
i agree with Brad on this one as well, but it seems quite a few members on here are treated like a "prized bear". now I have the utmost respect for Gadget he is one of the coolest i've had the privildge to meet thanx to XRU but i have noticed even when i first became a member here a year ago (2008 03 25) that if anyone said something negative about any of his products that they we're treated like a red-headed step child for while thereafter.
I'm really curious as to what made you come to these exact conclusions. What constitutes being treated as a "prized bear"? If a thread gets deleted for rule violation regarding TRD brake pads, does that mean we're treating that part as a "prized bear"? (i'm not trying to be an ass, i mean that as a real question).
As far as negative URD comments getting people treated badly - in what way to you believe this happens? do you think we as "staff" then treat the person badly? or are you referencing other people disagreeing/supporting URD?
I personally respect Brad for stating his opinion but i think its wrong that he's been "infracted" for it not being politically correct.
I respect him stating his opinion as well. He could have jumped in this thread just yelling about ****, but he didn't. He's trying to get his opinion/point across to other in the right way - and that's what's allowed here.
You don't get infracted for not being politically correct. The rules are in the open, and the infractions are simply computerized warnings to let people know one was broken. Members are given explanations along with the infractions. Does this mean you should be afraid to post? - of course not. Like Klint stated, it's not like if you get an infraction there's some immediate penalty. It's just like if we sent you a PM to let you know you did something "wrong" or violated a rule.
now as i stated before i'm not bashing, hating or flaming on anyone, any product, vendor etc... i'm just trying to make my opinion known and give some feedback.
Absolutely - just like Dak did, you went about it the right way, and that's how it should be.
but i don't think a "infraction" system is what is needed, instead I think all the current rules, guidelines and policies that are in effect need to be the same for each and every member. No member should be a "prized bear" cause of who they know, what they do or how much $$ they have invested in their truck.
Something you have to realize here is the the infraction system does just that. No one is exempt from it - not vendors, long-time members, etc. It will also take constant issues (infractions) for a member to see real consequences. What i think Klint is really attempting here is an organized, non-bias attempt at full enforcement of the rules.
Sorry for the looooooong read. and Dak, sorry for that phone call from the NC meet :biggrin:
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