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NOS Single Fogger with TRD S/C

rat7761

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NOS single fogger wet system.

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I've been thinking of an easy way to try and get into the 12s. An NOS single fogger came to mind. I've worked with nitrous before so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to spray. Has anyone ran a single fogger before in an X-Runner? I'm wondering why more N/A guys aren't running some sort of nitrous system? From my experience, nitrous is the cheap and easy way to go fast. Feel free to bash me as necessary. No offense will be taken. :smile: Here are my thoughts/ideas:

1.) The extra fuel would come from a Walbro 255 LPH fuel pump. I would probably tap into the main fuel feed line (instead of the rail) like how the URD 7th injector kit does for the 5VZ for the extra fuel for the fogger. The fogger nozzle would be placed ahead of the throttle body for best atomization.

2.) The micro switch will have to be off of the throttle pedal itself since the 1GR is throttle by wire. A hand controlled button would be too dangerous. A relay should be used when wiring a nitrous system because the nitrous solenoids draw a lot of amps.

3.) The only "tuning" that would really be involved would be checking the plugs after every pass to check for signs of detonation/lean condition (peppering of the plugs). If this occurs, I would reduce the nitrous jet accordingly since adding more fuel (increasing the fuel jet) may cause more problems. Bottle pressure would be around 950 PSI. I would start off with a small shot. I think a single fogger for a V6 can be adjusted in 35, 50, 80 increments but don't quote me on that. I wouldn't go over a 50 shot...or so I say. Colder plugs may be necessary. NOS would need to be contacted for the proper jetting. Unleaded race fuel or octane booster would be a good idea.

4.) The bottle would be mounted in the bed since if a bottle is located in the driver's compartment, a blow down tube would need to be added to the bottle to be NHRA compliant. A nitrous purge is handy not just to bleed the feed line of air but it can be used to bleed the feed line of nitrous pressure after a run when the bottle is closed. You don't want to leave pressure in the system if you're not using it. It will prematurely wear out the solenoids.

5.) I would run 26X10 Mickey Thompson ET Drag slicks. If more guys did this, we would probably have a bunch of guys in the 12s already...or closer to it. Haven't done the research yet but if a Detroit Locker or the easier to install Powertrax Lock-Rite are available, traction would be better than with the stock LSD. Streetablility will be sacrificed though. Noise in turns from the locker disengaging and fully locked rear diff under acceleration. I could go into the subject of 3.73 gears but I won't.

6.) A driveshaft loop within 6" of the forward most U-joint would be required. If the tech inspectors really want to be picky, they would require two loops since the X-Runner has a 2-piece driveshaft.

7.) Of course a Snell approved helmet is a given.

8.) Timing cannot be controlled w/o adding electronics so I would not be able to retard the timing as necessary.

9.) A wideband gauge with the A/F sensor mounted before all catalytic converters would be a wise choice to monitor the air/fuel ratio.

10.) My bench racing ET calculator that has been very accurate with my X-Runner spits out a 13.32 @ 102.26 MPH with the 50 shot on my truck (with the current setup) so I would still be short of the 12s. An 80 shot would net a 13.05 @ 104.41 MPH. Wow, getting into the 12s is tough. More nitrous....Someone needs to find the limit of a stock 1GR bottom end.

This is all in the fun of bench racing though so it may be faster or slower in the real world.

I'm not dead set on doing this but I am thinking about it. I'm interested in hearing feedback from guys who have put their X on the bottle. Thanks in advance!
 
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Sykotic336

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hey man dont know anything about this but sounds very interesting and i would like to know how everything goes and someone has to be the guinea pig lol. Good luck:top:
 

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what he said. This is really interesting. Please keep us updated!!!
 
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i know of a guy in pismo beach that runs a 50 shot of wet in his x he has never had a problem with it and it was just a NOS brand uni kit that he put on there and didnt change the plugs or anything on it but that was about a year ago also so who knows and i have never seen him since to ask him anything else about his set up
 

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1. I highly suggest that you upgrade the fuel pump as a safety precaution.

2. I wouldn't use a mechanical WOT switch, an electronic fail-safe TPS switch (0-5V) is more appropriate and a more wise choice, it is really one of the only ways to insure WOT on our truck.

3. A piggyback is a good idea, however at this point until I begin testing our setup (with in the next week or so) I do not know how much timing pull (if any) will be needed.

4. I think a 50 shot could be a bit much for us with out a staged or progressive controller... A 50 shot over boost has the potential to yield 85 + HP easily (putting you over 420 HP +) and a TON of torque. Start small and work your way up the power ladder. If you sprayed a 80 HP shot you would probably see around 450 - 500 HP.

5. Nitrous pressure in the line behind the solenoids wont harm them. Most solenoid seals however easily get impregnated with foreign debris and begin to leak, this is why (one of the main reasons) you don't want pressure in the line all the time. Its also a wise idea to fit in some kind of IDU.

6. Nozzle placement is going to be very important if you are going wet.

7. The bottle in the bed may not be allowed at the track, certain tracks require the bottle to be with in a roll cage or enclosed cabin. A blow down tube can be as simple as braided line off the burst disc out a grommet in the floor. Furthermore you would be exposing the bottle to the outside conditions and putting it farther away from the point of injection. This allows more nitrous expansion and most importantly makes the bottle pressure harder to control in the beaming sun.

8. Race fuel is always a great idea but probably wont be needed.

9. A Nitrous pressure gauge should be fitted where it can be visible at all times.


Our kit has significant safety, reliability/consistency, and performance advantages. If you could wait about a month you may be glad you waited!
 
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bada$$03taco

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i've already found out the limits to the stock bottom end. if you want nitrous, it will get you into the 12s. but wait for DS's kits to come out. with one of his kits and a progressive controller you can make some serious HP.




this is what happens when you push the limits on the 1GR 4.0


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At a 104mph trap, you are still well within the motor's boundaries. I'm trapping over 106mph without any issues, and I plan on going faster.
 

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i've already found out the limits to the stock bottom end. if you want nitrous, it will get you into the 12s. but wait for DS's kits to come out. with one of his kits and a progressive controller you can make some serious HP.




this is what happens when you push the limits on the 1GR 4.0


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:laugh: You are a unique circumstance my friend.
 

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Deathshadow, thanks for the info. I just couldn't find a lot of info about exactly how your nitrous system will be set up. I saw your thread in the vendor's section. Where can I get more details? I want to know everything that's involved so I can plan my attack...safely.

bada$$03taco, wasn't that due to dealer error or sumthin...:smile: Nice window in the block, although that cannot be from a lack of oil. Hope it's all good now.
 
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ahh nitrious....:top:

def. keep us posted, im very curious on the outcome of a blown X on the bottle!!!

im hangin tight for DS to bring his system out and see how it does...
 

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i've already found out the limits to the stock bottom end. if you want nitrous, it will get you into the 12s. but wait for DS's kits to come out. with one of his kits and a progressive controller you can make some serious HP.




this is what happens when you push the limits on the 1GR 4.0


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What is the whole story behind this engine coming apart?

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Oh, well, it is odd that those pictures would show up in a thread about using nitrous then. Might tend to confuse people...

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well.... thats honestly what happens when you push the limits on the stock engine. lol. you get a rod thru the block. ask megabitz. i have heard that he ran into a similar problem pushing the limits with boost.
 

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well.... thats honestly what happens when you push the limits on the stock engine. lol. you get a rod thru the block. ask megabitz. i have heard that he ran into a similar problem pushing the limits with boost.

How hard did you push!? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
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